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Pinpoint Towers hit with a $21,000 fine for violations involving worker’s death
April 15, 2014 - The U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration has cited Optica Network Technologies, which it states in a press release operates as Pinpoint Towers LLC, with three serious safety violations after a worker was fatally injured during a fall from a communications tower on Nov. 23, 2013 at a work site in Wichita, Kan.
Twenty-five-year-old Douglas Klein was performing maintenance when he fell about 50 feet while descending the tower. As a result of the investigation OSHA issued three serious citations to Pinpoint.
The citations allege that Pinpoint failed to ensure fall protection was maintained at all times while traversing the tower, and did not conduct a comprehensive job hazard assessment to include fall protection methods prior to employees traversing the tower. Finally, OSHA states, the company failed to provide certification that the hazard assessment had been completed and did not provide adequate fall protection training to workers.
A serious violation occurs when there is substantial probability that death or serious physical harm could result from a hazard about which the employer knew or should have known.
Director of Safety and Training for Pinpoint Services, Inc., Ed Dennis, said that there was a comprehensive JHA on site and the citations will be vigorously contested.
OSHA has proposed penalties of $21,000. Pinpoint has 15 business days from receipt of the citations to comply, request an informal conference with OSHA's area director in Wichita or contest the findings before an administrative law judge.
The average wireless industry construction fine issued over the past ten years is $8,275, according to an analysis by Wireless Estimator.
A number of industry professionals believe it’s too low. Almost four years ago the average fine was $6,100 at a time when the national average was $11,300.
In making the citations announcement, Michael Moon, OSHA’s acting area director in Wichita said, “"All employers, and especially those in high-hazard industries such as communication tower construction and maintenance, must properly train their workers on the need to maintain fall protection at all times."
Last November, James Maddux, Director of OSHA’s Directorate of Construction, informed his area directors that when workers are not using effective fall protection, “the fall hazards are obvious, well known and potentially fatal. In appropriate case, area directors should work closely with their regional solicitor to develop willful fall protection citations.”
Moon and his solictor’s decision to ignore Maddux’s directive is not known and OSHA will not comment upon ongoing investigations and contested citations.
A serious citation against B-Mack Wireless regarding a worker’s death in Indiana in the amount of $2,500 was reduced on March 14, 2004 during an informal settlement.
North American Power Line Construction Services contested three serious citations totaling $7,000 issued after a company worker died in Washington last year, but withdrew their request and agreed to pay the fine on Feb. 24, 2014.
Rescuers and a lanyard help save a tower
technician's life in Charlotte, North Carolina
Update: April 12, 2014 - John Laughter, the co-owner of Communications Logistics Services LLC of Bostic, NC said his employee, Daniel Hopey, who had to be rescued by firefighters last Thursday after he was immobilized on a 150 foot monopole, did not fall from his work station.
"He shifted his body and tried to reach over to perform his task, and when he did he slipped out of his butt harness all the way down into full leg lanyards. Once you get yourself into that position - if you've never been there before you don't understand - there is no flipping uside down. I don't care how strong you are you are not doing a pull up," Laughter told WSOC-TV in a phone interview.
Update: April 11, 2014 - Tower technician Daniel Hopey, who was rescued by firefighters yesterday, was a member of a two man tiger team that was troubleshooting for
Sprint and Ericsson, according to two individuals knowledgeable about the rescue. The structure is owned by Cro
wn Castle International.
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April 10, 2014 - The proper usage of fall protection equipment and two Charlotte,
NC firefighters helped to save the life of a tower technician who fell while performing maintenance on a monopole late this afternoon.
According to news reports and available video, the tech was working alone on the tower when he fell and hung from his safety harness and lanyard for over an hour. A co-worker on the ground called 911.
The rescue at the 3800 block of Shamrock Dr. tower in East Charlotte was by Charlotte Fire Department Captain Joel Cherry and fireman Kevin Walling who climbed the two-tenant tower to the top platform to pull up the worker who was hanging about 10 feet below.
"He was very happy that we were there to get him. He told me he had two kids at home, or one kid and one on the way. He really wanted to get home to them," Cherry told WBTV.
After resting a short while the tech started to climb down the monopole, but was then lowered the rest of the way to the ground to waiting firefighters. He was taken by ambulance for evaluation, although his rescuers said that they didn't appear serious.
He reportedly suffered minor injuries and had some pain caused by the lack of circulation to his legs as he hung in his harness.
His name and the company he was employed by as well as the carrier he was performing work for was not immediately available from fire department spokesman Mark Basnight.
Wireless Estimator will provide additional details when they become available.
Sprint raises its 2015 Clearwire cell site shuttering to at least 6,000 locations
April 9, 2014 – According to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing, Sprint expects to decommission at least 6,000 cell sites by the end of 2015 as part of its plan to shut down WiMAX service. When the carrier announced last fall its plan to sunset WiMAX as it moved to LTE technology their redundant Clearwire sites totaled 4,300.
Clearwire, acquired by Sprint last July, had deployed WiMAX technology on approximately 17,000 cell towers and other structures and was in the process of deploying 4G LTE technology using the 2.5GHz spectrum on approximately 5,000 of those sites, which has now been completed, according to Sprint.
The carrier said it plans to expand the 2.5 GHz 4G LTE deployment to approximately 5,000 more legacy Clearwire sites.
Sprint pegged the lease exit costs to be between $50 to $100 million. Sprint estimated last year that it would be between $75 to $100 million.
Sprint said they expect the majority of their efforts to roll out 4G LTE on their 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz spectrum bands to be completed by the end of 2015.
Last October, they announced Sprint SparkSM , which is an enhanced LTE network capability that analyzes their three spectrum bands of LTE and connects a device to the most optimal band available in the area.
The deployment period for this technology is projected to correspond with the roll out of 4G LTE on their 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz spectrum bands.
The cost to complete these initiatives to modernize their network will be significant. They expect capital expenditures of approximately $8 billion in 2014, according to company documents.
Two techs are dead following the collapse of two guyed towers in Kansas
Update: March 26, 2014 - The deceased tower technicians who died on Tuesday in Pottawatomie County have been identified by the sheriff's office as 38-year-old Martin Powers of St. Charles, Mo. and 25-year-old Seth Garner of St. Peters, Mo. Powers was pronounced dead at the scene, and Garner was transported to a local hospital where he was also pronounced dead.
Update: March 26, 2014 - Authorities have not released the names of the two tower technicians who died yesterday after two towers collapsed in Blaine, Kan., but according to sources investigating the accident, the deceased workers were age 38 and 25 and resided in Missouri. They had been employed by Wireless Horizon for less than five months. It is not known whether they had prior tower construction experience.
Update: March 25, 2014 - The two technicians who died this morning were employed by Wireless Horizon, Inc. of St. Peters, Mo., according to personnel knowledgeable of the accident. Wireless Horizon has been providing communications construction services since 2000.
In 2005, a Wireless Horizon employee was killed in Illinois after a jumped gin pole began sliding down the tower face and abruptly stopped when it was caught by the load line headache ball. The technician, who was climbing the gin pole when it happened, was thrown from the pole and fell 120 feet. Wireless Horizon was cited with a Serious violation by OSHA and fined $1,500, but had the fine reduced to $750 in an informal settlement.
Both today's and the 2005 accident occurred while the company was decommissioning a tower and dismantling it with a gin pole.
Michael Moon, acting director for the Wichita area OSHA office, said his personnel were investigating the the fatalities. He also stated that he was aware of Assistant Secretary of Labor David Michaels' recent request to target the wireless construction industry due to the alarming increase in worker deaths.
Last week, Michaels asked for a national safety stand-down from June 2 to 6 to raise awareness among employers and workers about the hazards of falls, which account for the highest number of deaths in the construction industry.
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March 25, 2014 - Two tower technicians were killed when two towers collapsed in Blaine, Kan. The Pottawatomie Co. Sheriff's Office said the structures fell about 9:30 a.m. near the junction of Highways 16 and 99.
A spokesperson for Union Pacific Railroad, the owner of the guyed towers, said the techs were removing a 256-foot tower that was no longer in service when the accident occurred. The older tower had been constructed in 1985, according to the FCC's database.
Aaron Hunt also stated that the two workers were very experienced.
County Fire Supervisor Bruce Brazzle said four people were working at the site and the deceased techs had been on the older tower when it collapsed.
One tech was pronounced dead at the scene and another was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead, said Pottawatomie County Sheriff Greg Riat.
Both technicians were at approximately 250 feet on the guyed tower when it fell, according to Riat.
Blaine is located about 50 miles northwest of Topeka.
The workers' company was not immediately available and the names of those killed were withheld until their families are contacted.
Photographs taken by WIBW show what could be a gin pole lodged in the ground within the tower compound. It is unknown if a failure of the gin pole system contributed to the accident.
Two technicians died last year in Georgetown, Miss. when a gin pole plummeted as it was being raised to the top of 300-foot guyed tower.
OSHA is investigating the accident.
Wireless Estimator will provide additional details when they become available.
Last Wednesday, a tower technician died in Maryland when he fell off of a water tower. Today's deaths raised this year's fatality count to six.
Big is back again as better
AT&T’s tower crew program could shape up
as an industry game changer
March 25, 2014 – AT&T’s Tower Crew Augmentation Program (TCAP), a plan designed to provide the carrier with a quicker and more quality-driven build-out, could adversely affect the contracting landscape of smaller tower construction companies if its rollout proves to be successful. It might also cut into Verizon’s 4G construction lead.
TCAP, according to knowledgeable executives, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, is a program that will assist the carrier in capturing additional dedicated tower crews it needs to build out its network.
“It began towards the end of last year and is an agreement to provide services directly to AT&T or to supplement their current turfing vendors who cannot support their ambitious build-out program with available crews,” said a person familiar with the strategy.
Details about the program are limited since AT&T has not responded to multiple requests for information about TCAP, and has made it clear to contractors that they are bound by their non-disclosure agreement.
However, it is has been stated by a number of industry insiders that AT&T has a contract in place with MasTec Network Solutions to provide crews for the Eastern part of the country, Ericsson for the West and BlueStream Professional Services for the Midwest, Southwest and Great Plains, in addition to markets the companies are already providing services in under other agreements.
Dedicating tower crews is not a novel approach and has been used by carriers for a number of years, but the TCAP program appears to provide added benefits with the primary advantage being assured work for each dedicated crew. In addition, pricing appears to be more equitable than in previous years.
In the past, AT&T’s and its vendors’ inducement to obtain contractors was to award multiple projects, but when there were equipment delivery issues, market adjustments or permitting problems, contractors would oftentimes go for weeks without any work.
TCAP’s benefit to AT&T will be continued access to installation resources to build out their system to lessen Verizon’s lead in their LTE coverage.
An ancillary value, equally as important to AT&T, will be quality control. (Continued)
Please see: A reduction in tiger teams
Maryland accident claims the life of another tech
Update: March 21, 2014 - Anne Arundel County fire officials have identified the 21-year-old man who was killed after falling from a 180-foot water tower Wednesday afternoon in Pasadena as Chad Louis Weller of Stevensville.
A spokesperson for his, employer, Redwing Electric of Fairfield, N.J., said the company did not have any information available for publication at this time.
Weller had received climber training and was a competent climber, but according to individuals knowledgeable about the accident, he was not tied off when he fell.
Services will be held on Monday, March 24, 2014, at 1 p.m. at Fellows, Helfenbein & Newnam Funeral Home, 106 Shamrock Road, Chester, where friends and family may visit from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m.
March 19, 2014 - A 21-year-old tower technician was pronounced dead at a communications tower site after he fell approximately 180 feet from a water tower in Pasadena, Md., according to a press release issued by the Anne Arundel County Fire Department. The man, whose name hasn’t been released, was the industry’s fourth fatality in 2014.
After arriving at the scene, fire personnel found the worker unconscious and unresponsive and worked aggressively to resuscitate the worker.
The accident happened about 2:30 p.m. at the site adjacent to a self-supporting tower located behind the Eastern District Police Station and Jacobsville Fire Station. A rain shower had been reported in the area today. At the time of the accident wind gusts were less than 5 miles per hour.
The incident is currently under investigation by Maryland Occupational Safety and Health (MOSH). The identity of the worker is being held pending notification of the next of kin.
Authorities did not release the name of the worker’s employer.
Wireless Estimator will provide updates when they become available.
|Industry is quick to weigh in with their
comments following Hang Men’s debut
March 15, 2014 – Realty TV has no bounds and a recent successful entry is Game of Arms, an unscripted program about arm wrestling – a wristy business. So it was no surprise that the Discovery Channel saw the profit potential of riding on the shirttails of tower erection and maintenance – a risky business - and they premiered Hang Men last night to mixed reviews.
The program followed two crews from Tower & Wireless Construction Co., a subsidiary of Old Bridge, N.J.-based SubCarrier Communications as they installed antennas in Linden, N.J. and Harrisburg, Pa.
Even before it hit its first commercial, some Facebook posters were stating that it didn’t adequately represent the industry.
Since the reality show was produced by Electus, an entertainment company far removed from objective journalism endeavors, it was never expected by most industry professionals that the one-hour pilot would hold true to all industry best practices.
Although there were some safety infractions in the trailer promoting the show and possibly in the premiere itself, Subcarrier’s owner, John Paleski, frequently emphasized the need for all of his crew members, outfitted in spotless PPE, to be vigilant in observing safety requirements throughout the show.
A connected DBI-SALA cable sleeve was seen so often the safety company’s marketing execs were probably doing early-morning high fives.
Flash back to NBC’s Tower Dogs broadcast six years ago and it’s obvious that Hang Men presented a more professional view of tower climbers.
There were no bar scenes, drunken monologues, dysfunctional workers and overriding publicity about this being “the most dangerous job in America”. Hang Men at least tempered it with “one of the deadliest professions”.
One similarity was a featured female climber, an almost obligatory requirement for attracting viewers, especially if the tower tech is attractive and fit like Jenny who has been climbing for four years in an industry where women climbers can be counted on a crew’s hands and toes.
Diddy, Jessie, John, 40-Watt and others featured in Hang Men are the cement that will hold this show together.
Although Jenny seemed to be too concerned about transitioning to an antenna platform during the show, something that one would expect she should have already done dozens of times before, that observation is fostered by industry knowledge.
In assessing the program, it’s important to note that it wasn’t made for the industry any more than ER was hoping and reliant upon capturing practicing physicians.
Whether the tower business adores or abhors it, its success will come from whether or not it plays to the public in Peoria. And Peoria might like it.
Six people, unaffiliated with the industry, watched Hang Men at Wireless Estimator’s request. They all found it to be interesting; five viewers said they would watch another episode.
Some comments were:
“I never thought about those towers and how my phone uses them.”
“It’s a dangerous job and they should be paid well.”
“I liked the explanations of what they were doing and never realized a signal could go so far.”
“I don’t watch reality shows because they bring out the worst in everybody. This was interesting.”
“That was the best documentary I've seen that illustrates the hazards and the contribution these guys make to the communications industry including the security of the nation.”
Hang Men did provide information that’s typically not discussed, such as the ability for a worker to make up to $120,000 or more, and the payment of $17,500 for a one day antenna and line installation. But it wasn’t asterisked with the fact that the work is being done in the New Jersey-New York Metropolitan Area with prevailing wage laws that can raise hourly wages to $45 or more and the worker might be getting 30 or more hours of overtime.
“There you go again,” Governor Ronald Regan might have said regarding that statement as he did with presidential candidate Jimmy Carter, cautioning us to consider that we’re looking at the program from an industry perspective and not as a member of the target audience.
Although there are sure to be those who believe that Paleski’s nausea and precarious situation on the tower from bee stings was a fabricated event, it did happen, according to a number of people on site during the filming who spoke with Wireless Estimator.
“There you go again.”
This is a reality TV show and it’s natural that the business will not always be presented in the best light, even though there are some issues that the industry needs to resolve. But it didn’t make us look like bumbling idiots like Tower Dogs did, which was looking to be spun off as a reality show, but thankfully never made it.
Presumably, the best show that would appease everyone would be a training film of the Harrisburg install with all crew members being hard-working local Pennsylvania Dutch tower techs, with no visible cleavage, who didn’t swear or become impatient as they covered their heads with a straw broad-brimmed ANSI approved hard hat and hitched up their regulation PPE suspenders.
And since they can’t drive, a drone camera wouldn’t catch them ever failing to walk a straight line during a sobriety stop or mistakenly putting high octane fuel in a diesel engine.
“There you go again.”
Electus is expecting Hang Men to continue with additional episodes. One episode was reportedly filmed in Alaska.
To view and offer your constructive comments about the program, click here .
Hang Men docudrama will put tower work’s dangers back in the spotlight on Friday
March 12, 2014 – NBC’s Tower Dogs, Frontline’s Cell Tower Deaths and Mike Rowe’s Dirty Jobs took the tower construction industry out of the shadows, but the profession will be cast in a brighter spotlight on Friday, March 14, 2014 at 11:00 p.m. eastern when Hang Men, an original presentation on the Discovery Channel, showcases the heroic work of the industry's men and women who build and maintain America's communications networks.
Whereas many programs are discussed in social and other media months before their air date, Hang Men took the industry by surprise when the Discovery Channel announced the one-hour program yesterday afternoon with its promotional tag: “On Hang Men, tensions run high for John Paleski and his crew. Fighting tight deadlines and a slew of setbacks, it’s a battle with gravity to complete two risky antenna installations.”
The program will be repeated again on Saturday at 2:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. eastern.
A casual look at the promotional trailer suggests that the five-man Tower & Wireless Construction Co. crew, a subsidiary of Old Bridge, N.J.-based SubCarrier Communications, was struggling with two near accidents while they were installing an antenna.
"But this needs to be viewed within the context of the full pilot," said John Paleski, President of SubCarrier.
“In one scene of the trailer, a pipe mount fell off of a tower while my men were rigging it. What my crew couldn’t have known is that a crew from another company was going to remove the antenna mount and just left it hanging loose in its U-bolts and it fell, almost hitting a ground man as it smashed into a transmitter cabinet,” said Paleski, who is oftentimes frustrated when an incompetent crew is hired by a tenant to work on any of the 320 towers he owns.
“The fact is that we're working in one of the deadliest professions in the world, and it's important that even laypeople, who may tune in for the entertainment value of the program, will recognize that the men and women involved are highly trained professionals who value safety above all else in this mentally and physically demanding field," said Paleski.
Paleski, who hasn’t seen the program produced by Electus, said he believes that it will be a positive piece for the industry without any contrived footage.
“All wireless workers should be appreciated for the work they do. Not enough people know about the dedicated men and women whose daily efforts allow them to talk and stream on their 4G phones. They have no idea how it works. And without tower workers installing and maintaining these sites, the thing they carry around in their pocket would be nothing more than an expensive paperweight with a two-year contract,” Paleski said.
The title, Hang Men, was selected by the Discovery Channel, according to Paleski.
Paleski graduated from Rutgers University with a degree in economics. He began climbing in 1986 and appears in Hang Men. But it’s not a cameo appearance.
“I often climb with my men because I don’t ever want them to do a job that I couldn’t safely do myself.”
Paleski readily admits that when he first started climbing he only used a lanyard and a lineman’s belt. “For many years, before it became a popular industry catch-phrase, we’ve been committed to 100% tie-off at all times.”
The program was filmed in Linden, N.J. and Harrisburg, Pa.
Paleski is excited to have the public enjoy additional episodes of Hang Men in the near future.
On the lighter side…
International tower competition provides for the world’s tallest human shish kabob grill
March 5, 2014 – The Turkish seaport city of Canakkale has announced the winner of an international competition for a broadcast tower design that, if built, might eclipse visitor attendance to their wooden horse exhibit from the 2004 movie Troy – placed there because Canakkale is the closest city to the site of ancient Troy. But like the Trojan horse, it’s hiding an elite and deadly RF force inside.
The winner for their supple 328-foot tower was design firm IND and Powerhouse Company. And although they noted that they worked with structural engineering firm ABT to make a circuitous loop through the forest, with an outdoor pedestrian walkway and indoor public spaces at the tower's base possible, electromagnetic radio frequency concerns appear to take a back seat in their racetrack-like design.
But IND didn’t have exclusivity on excluding pesky RF safety requirements since all other entries appeared to present exposure problems.
One entry shows a Mattel Hot Wheels-like observation pod that would take visitors on a trip up and down the interior of the looped tower within inches of the broadcast antenna’s elements, giving rise to the expected small print warnings on the ride ticket: “WARNING: Children under age 12 must know their specific whole body absorption rate and be accompanied by a RF badge. Intentionally exposing undergarments by sagging your RF attenuation suit pants to plumber’s crack levels or below is strictly prohibited. The adrenaline-rushing activity of throwing your hands up in the air is not recommended since it will create higher near-field exposure levels and can cause hot flashes in women as well as men.”
Sam Monitors is reportedly in negotiations with the tower theme park for the RF measuring device concession with its new unit, the Samsong S5.
It features a built-in alarm and visual system with 26 music alert videos such as country star Dwight Yoakam singing “Watch out, I never felt such pain,” and Super Bowl 2014 halftime headliner Bruno Mars belting out, “Feels like I'm on fire…My temperature is higher”.
Also available as an alert is a song from Rock and Roll Hall of Fame legend Peter Gabriel which might have the most uninspiring lyrics ever written, but possibly the most helpful for old-school climbers who must be told numerous times before safety messages sink in.
It’s obvious why. The song, from Gabriel’s album, Scratch, was Exposure, a word he used 13 times when he co-wrote the lyrics of the 27-word song.
If the wearer continues to ignore an overexposure alert for a set period of time of up to 12 hours, the less than subtle default song warning comes from the lyrics of a 1969 pop single by Steam: “Na-na na-na-na na na na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye”.
According to a marketing representative for the new RF badge, “In addition to ensuring the safety of visitors at the envisioned Canakkale communications tower site, we found that the unit is also an excellent choice for gadget junkies with an extra $900 burning a hole in their pocket who don’t want 900-plus watts doing it for them.”
|NATE doesn’t disappoint as it unites and ignites enthusiasm in the wireless infrastructure industry
March 3, 2014 – The National Association of Tower Erectors’ annual convention in San Diego, Calif. ended Thursday, and the four day confab not only lived up to its promise to unite the wireless construction industry, but provided a conference that is being recognized as the best event the trade group has ever held.
NATE Unite 2014, according to attendees, was a finely orchestrated event that provided numerous packed educational sessions, networking events and a sold-out exhibit hall.
With a near record number of attendees, the almost 1,400 registrant-mix this year saw an increased percentage of top company management, but noticeably present this year were major carrier representatives and state and federal government officials, from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to the Department of Defense and the Department of Transportation.
Attendees were also impressed by the multi-track educational presentations.
Whereas trade show sessions can sometimes be weighted with company or product pitches, this year’s presentations were all well-prepared, informative and engaging sessions that allowed everyone to return to their company with tools to make it more productive and profitable; but most importantly, to be able to embrace a safer workforce.
During a keynote video presentation, Assistant Secretary of Labor Dr. David Michaels said that OSHA was close to revising the industry’s riding the line standard to reflect that riding the line will be permissible while performing installations, modifications and maintenance on elevated structures.
When NATE authored the current regulation their intention was to allow riding the line while performing all disciplines of work. However, the final compliance directive authorized the practice only on new structure erections.
Many tower crews currently ride the line while performing work that would not be considered new construction, but OSHA has never cited a company for the practice if they are carefully following the standard.
However, NATE wants to ensure that the CPL’s language is changed to make it permissible and allow for workers to avoid repetitive strain injuries, a common concern in an aging workforce.
Also, few, if any, professions require the physical exertion and stamina that is required of a tower technician making multiple climbs up a tower, weighted down by tools, fall protection equipment and oftentimes structure or transmitting equipment.
OSHA’s aware of this and realizes that fatigue can easily contribute to 15-20% of fatal accidents caused by human error.
Martin “Marty” Cooper, who put a team together at Motorola and invented the first hand-held cell phone, received numerous standing ovations during a packed luncheon keynote speech when he lauded the wireless construction industry for helping to provide the backbone required to enable all mobile devices to work.
Cooper’s enthusiasm for where technology will take us in the future equaled the same upbeat energy shared by everyone during the show.
Many thousands of hours are dedicated to this event by NATE’s staff and the association’s members. But it’s not their time that made this show the huge success that it was, but their talent – coupled with a passionate drive to unite the industry to ensure that the next time it is singled out by the head of OSHA it’s because of its remarkable reduction in accidents and fatalities.
NATE’s staff is already aiming to shatter its attendance record at next year’s 20th anniversary celebration at NATE UNITE 2015 in Orlando, Fla. The smart money says they will.